糖心传媒

If we look back at your time at 糖心传媒, when did you attend the College and what were your plans for after school?

I started at 糖心传媒 in Year 2 and graduated in 1993. In Year 12, I wanted to be an actor and a singer because I enjoyed drama and music. I鈥檇 already been accepted into a music course before my HSC had even started, a new contemporary music course at Western Sydney University.聽

I ended up doing Communications at UTS after significant pressure from my parents to do Law, to which I went 鈥淣o鈥攋ust because you can doesn鈥檛 mean you should鈥�. The compromise was Communications, which was pass-fail at the time.聽

I don鈥檛 remember having a clear plan before leaving school, contrary to being told that I needed to. I didn鈥檛 know what I wanted to do at school, specifically, but the idea that I wanted to do something in the creative industries was certainly on the cards. It's funny because as we now know, not having a plan is actually a great plan in many ways. Getting a broad education can lead to interesting kinds of pathways and then multiple futures of work.

When you finished university, what was your next step?

I still don鈥檛 know what I鈥檓 going to do with my life. Again, I think there鈥檚 positivity in that, especially if you鈥檙e built and shaped like that. At university, I felt that I wasn't learning much because I wasn鈥檛 getting graded on anything, so I went and volunteered at the community radio station that鈥檚 attached to the university called 2SER. That鈥檚 where I really got an education; I learnt how to make radio, communicate, edit, manage and produce people, and I did it all voluntarily. I decided to give up the journalism part of my course because the practical skills I picked up at 2SER were so much more valuable to me. I was doing current affair stories, breakfast programs, music selection; the whole thing.聽

Later I got a job at the Community Broadcasting Association, and I was an executive assistant working three days a week. At the same time, I kept doing radio, and I ended up getting a gig at Triple J at the age of 21. I happened to be in the right place at the right time, but most importantly I鈥檇 worked hard and set myself up for it through the volunteer work by always putting my hand up, taking criticism on board, paying attention and learning. I ended up doing graveyard and other fill-in shifts at Triple J for a couple of years before they gave me a job.

What does a typical workday look like for you at the moment?

I鈥檇 love for this question to be confined to just the day time but actually it鈥檚 often day and night.聽 COVID has been interesting, but it hasn鈥檛 been a massive shift in terms of what I do. It has mainly just been difficult because I鈥檓 not able to go out and meet people at events or recordings. Instead, it's all at home.

I鈥檓 the Head of Curation at TEDxSydney, and I curate a team of volunteers to work with speakers specifically in the curatorial team to help those speakers get ready to deliver a TEDx Talk. TEDxSydney is one of the gold standard events on the global TEDx stage. It's very prestigious for many speakers to be there and the audience is always super awesome and keen. My day involves rehearsing and buoying speakers so that they feel satisfied, happy and looked after. I get them on Zoom to do their rehearsals and work closely with each speaker on the content of their talks.

As a member of the leadership team, it's about making, working, creating and coming up with the decisions that will make this new event work.聽 Because it鈥檚 such a big event, there are a lot of moving parts and specific details to work out. It聽 requires an epic amount of creative thinking, a lot of faith, and hard work from lots of people to realise it.

What are your go-to鈥檚 for your research?

Covering all things arts, television, radio, music, design and my work at TEDxSydney means I need to know about a lot of different subjects. I spend my whole day just reading up on everything. I don鈥檛 know everything [laughs] but I鈥檓 aware. For example, if I鈥檓 talking to a speaker about their speciality, I鈥檓 still able to follow and suggest the inclusion of information, ideas or sources that they may have missed. It鈥檚 making sure that we tick those boxes of credibility.

In my curatorial team, there are people who have unique skill sets that I lean on. One of my team members is fantastic when it comes to business and leadership but also has excellent knowledge of film. Another member of my team specialises in History and was a radio producer. For me, I鈥檓 more across technology, science and design.

I鈥檓 an avid podcast listener鈥擨 listen to everything. I subscribe to a mountain of science and technology podcasts which is where I get a lot of information. I also listen to Rachel Maddow every day and Politico: Democracy Now because I鈥檓 very interested in the upcoming US election. At the same time, I also make myself listen to some of the horrible shock jocks from the States just to make sure that I hear other points of view. It is challenging though because their content isn鈥檛 based on any kind of form of fact.聽

I follow certain people on Twitter who often link to great articles and content. I avoid things like Facebook鈥擨 am on them, but I don鈥檛 think of them as sources of information. Other than that, I read and subscribe to lots of newspapers and magazines.聽

Getting on the phone and chatting with people is also important to me. We forget that not everything is on Google and that if you want to get great ideas and really learn, then you can ring someone up and get their feedback as an expert. As a journalist, that鈥檚 the old school way of doing it. Or you go to a library and look for books that have been published, referenced and sourced. That鈥檚 how I keep across information鈥攜ou鈥檝e got to be a nerd. Embrace your nerd!

What is a mistake or something that you would do differently, and what did you learn from that experience?

I don鈥檛 think I鈥檝e made many mistakes, from a career point of view, but everything that I鈥檝e done has been a lesson. I鈥檝e been very, very fortunate. Sure, I鈥檝e made day to day mistakes and errors鈥擨鈥檝e accidentally sworn once on air [laughs]. I don鈥檛 think anything in my career has been a misstep; it all is a means to an end.聽

My skill set is so broad, and yet it's all connected, and it makes me very flexible at work. I can go and do a half-hour live TV program if I need to because I鈥檝e worked really hard on that in the past. I know how to host an MC event for 5000 people or just ten people. I did a voiceover recently for someone, and they said 鈥淥h you sound a bit Radio National鈥�, and I said 鈥淥h鈥擨 do!鈥�, so they were helping me to move around, and be a bit more malleable there. I try to listen and adjust.

I think I鈥檝e travelled too much. I think a lot of people are used to only doing face to face, but if COVID has taught us anything, it's that we shouldn鈥檛 be doing that anymore. We should save some money and look after the environment.

When I was 18 or 19, I moved out of home and got a job. I felt like I couldn鈥檛 live at home because I knew I was gay and I wasn鈥檛 able to tell my parents. My parents would have supported me but I just felt that I couldn鈥檛 ask them, so I worked through my final years of university to pay for rent. It meant that I stopped going to many of the day classes with other private school kids like me鈥攊nstead, I was going with the mature age students who were doing night classes because they were also working.聽

My world view changed after that, and that was important. It gets back to what I was saying before about getting out of our bubble, acknowledging who we are, where we come from and our privilege but also trying to find ways to interrogate that privilege and to escape it.

What has been the proudest moment in your life so far?

I鈥檇 like to think that I鈥檝e always been kind and had good values. I鈥檇 also like to think that I represent my parents鈥攚ho were great people鈥攑roperly in this world. For me, it's about living an ethical life. Other than making some missteps along the way I would like to think that I鈥檝e led an ethical life, one where respect for others, acknowledgement of country, acknowledgement of where we come from and who we are is a part of life.聽

If you were to travel back in time, what would you say to your 21-year-old self?

You鈥檙e going to be ok, don鈥檛 worry too much. Your parents will come around to it, you will find love, and you will have a family鈥攁ll of these things worked out for me. I would tell myself not to be afraid to realise that your urban tribe is extremely important鈥攜our friends are your family, and that鈥檚 the same if you鈥檙e straight, gay or otherwise. You don鈥檛 have to live up to the expectations of other people, the only person you have to answer to ultimately is yourself. I haven鈥檛 been asked about my HSC mark ever. It鈥檚 been completely irrelevant. It's life and work experience skills that matter.

If we were to look at your time at 糖心传媒,聽 what impact do you think it had on your life?

It's given me a lifelong dislike of black watch tartan鈥攁lthough I do secretly kind of like it [laughs]. I think it鈥檚 taught me that when you are given that kind of education when you鈥檙e afforded the time and access to all those opportunities, you have been given many advantages. When you leave school, you have been given so much already. You have to acknowledge that, and you have to try to give back as much as you can in whatever way you can. It鈥檚 essential to recognise that your access has allowed you to have a spot in the race to be at the top of the playing field that a lot of other people who are just as smart, clever and creative as you probably haven鈥檛 been given.聽

Check your entitlement every single moment鈥擨 do it every single day, and I know that the fortune that it鈥檚 given me has been immense. You need to be very aware of it and do what you can to level the playing field in every other aspect of your life.

Back to access; I loved sport and music. I spent a career doing music and radio. Specifically, my educational grounding at 糖心传媒 helped with The Sound Lab that I did at Triple J, in terms of critical musical theory. The knowledge from my singing teacher at school has been great, and I鈥檝e been able to use that throughout my career. I still have that pitch; I can still sometimes hear a song and know the note because I was taught properly. I鈥檓 thankful for that.

What are some of your fondest school memories?

My History and the English teachers were amazing and so important for me. The teachers, especially in the Humanities, who allowed creative thought and expressive thinking, were great. When I was in school, I didn鈥檛 like the rote learning approach, so I didn鈥檛 apply myself to the maths and science subjects.聽

Funnily enough, I now love thinking and reading about maths and science. Open your brain up to all the possibilities. Even if you hated a subject at school, you would be surprised what you find interesting later on in life.

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